[Weitzman] Re: Sixers-Harden negotiations: I'm told the Rockets have asked the Sixers for 3 first round picks in addition to Ben Simmons. As many others have reported, the Sixers so far have been unwilling to include Simmons in any proposals.
記者Yaron Weitzman日前報導，火箭已經向76人提出了哈登換本-西蒙斯以及三個首輪籤的交易方案。
但是據目前多個消息源透露，76人無意在任何交易中交易本-西蒙斯。
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[–]dropdatdurkadurk 221 指標 16小時前
This is why the harden stuff has stalled nobody is making a serious offer. I don’t actually buy any of this 「Houston is insisting they won’t move harden right now unless it’s for a god father offer」. If Simmons was on the table this would have gotten done I bet the 3 picks could be negotiated down to 2 but nobody has been willing to make a serious push yet.
也難怪哈登一直都走不了，因為沒人在好好報價啊。「休斯頓堅稱除非有神級報價，不然不會立馬放走哈登」這種話我還真不信。如果西蒙斯擺上貨架，那這筆交易應該能成，不過我覺得三個首輪應該會砍到兩個，但是目前還沒有球隊樂意好好推動這筆交易。
[–]Raptors blafricanadian 114 指標 15小時前
For an NBA subreddit it’s crazy that nobody realizes that all this is because of giannis. If giannis signed the max, harden will be traded in days
猛龍球迷：這可是個NBA論壇啊，難道沒人想明白這一切都是因為字母哥嗎？如果字母哥頂薪續約了，哈登用不了幾天就會離隊。
[–][PHI] Jumaine Jones ronaldo119 10 指標 15小時前
for what reason?
76人球迷：怎麼說哦？
[–]Raptors blafricanadian 15 指標 15小時前
Everyone with the assets and the need is holding out for giannis.
The signing frees up Toronto, Miami and Dallas to pursue other avenues.
猛龍球迷：那些有資產也有需求的球隊都在留著籌碼等字母哥那邊的動靜。
只有字母哥留隊，猛龍、熱火和獨行俠才有心思考慮其他選項。
[–]dropdatdurkadurk 87 指標 15小時前
I mean how many teams are holding out cap space for 2021 with Giannis who have any kind of prayer of signing him. Dallas, Toronto, and Miami. Is that it?
How many of those teams have shown actual interest in Harden? Maybe Miami. Maybe Toronto has inquired and we dont know about it. That's it.
Philly isnt in the Giannis sweepstakes. Brooklyn isnt. I can see Miami offering more if Giannis were to sign but any deal that is based around Tyler Herro just isnt enticing to Houston it's more a last resort type option only ahead of Brooklyn's package. And if Toronto isnt willing to offer Siakam it's the same thing.
那到底有多少球隊留著薪資空間指望能在21年籤下字母哥呢？獨行俠、猛龍和熱火，就這些吧？
那又有多少球隊真正表露出了對哈登的興趣呢？或許是熱火。也許猛龍也詢價過，但我們不得而知。就這。
費城不會梭哈字母哥，布魯克林也不會。如果字母哥真續約了，那我覺得熱火應該會為哈登提供更高的報價，但是各種基於希羅的報價對火箭真沒那麼大吸引力。猛龍的情況也一樣，他們不願意出手西亞卡姆。
[–]FFFreak999 40 指標 15小時前
Sixers have some leverage here.
No point to trade Simmons before the season starts. Play out the first third of the season and see what happens. Ben Simmons is only 24 people.
When the Sixers had shooters around Ben and Joel they were dirty.
Harden just seems super selfish and I don’t like the way he plays. It’s a literally iso『s down the floor.
I』ll give you Tobias and Danny Green for harden
76人還是掌握主動的。
賽季還沒開始呢，現在就交易西蒙斯沒有意義。先打完三分之一賽程再看唄。要知道本西才24啊。
他和恩比德周圍搭配一群射手的時候，76人還是很變態的。
感覺哈登打法超級自私，我不喜歡他的風格，基本就是單打到底。
不過可以用哈裡斯和鐵林去換哈登。
[–]Kings nhess68 31 指標 15小時前
They are lucky to just get Simmons. They have 0 leverage seeing as Harden is forcing his way out to the best of his abilities.
國王球迷：要是能用哈登單換西蒙斯都算火箭走運。他們一點籌碼都沒，因為是哈登費盡心思地想走人。
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[–]NBA ImWaySmarterThanUlol 39 指標 16小時前
76ers have done so well with ben simmons, wouldn't want to trade him away and miss out on those championships
有西蒙斯的76人打得多好啊，他們才不想放他走呢，不然得少拿好幾個冠軍(¬◡¬)
[–][PHI] Joel Embiid rahbee33 273 指標 16小時前
Really looking forward to all of Harden's championship experience.
76人球迷：那我倒是蠻期待哈登那些「冠軍」經驗的
[–]76ers Immynimmy 50 指標 15小時前
Lol he's only 24. He still has another decade of play give or take. I don't expect him to become a sharpshooter in the playoffs but at least he has a team that's better suited for his play style and strengths. You could argue this team is a better fit than the Butler Sixers (even though that team was much more talented cause of Jimmy)
76人球迷：哈哈哈，本西才24啊，差不多還能再打個十年吧。我不指望他能在季後賽變得神準，可至少我76人更適合他的打法和優點。現在的76人比巴特勒時期更為融洽，這話沒啥毛病吧。
[–]Lakers Trumppered 8 指標 15小時前
eh I agree he has a long career ahead of him but I also feel pretty strongly that we've seen enough from Ben + Embiid to believe they just don't work well together in a playoff environment.
Harden + Embiid on the other hand might be the closest thing to Kobe + Shaq we will ever see, and feels like it would be an instant contender.
湖人球迷：呃，你說西蒙斯的職業生涯還早，我同意，不過我同樣也強烈感覺，本西和恩比德的搭檔咱們已經看夠了，到了季後賽，他倆一起就是成不了事。
要是哈登搭檔恩比德，那或許是最接近OK組合的存在，搞不好76人能立馬躋身爭冠行列。
[–]76ers Infraction94 38 指標 14小時前
Simmons and Embiid lineups when surrounded with shooters have statistically been some of the best lineups in the NBA. The issues in the past have been an atrocious bench or surrounding the two with players that don't fit at all.
76人球迷：過往已經有數據可以證明，本西和恩比德再加上射手群，這就是NBA頂尖陣容。我們之前的問題在於板凳太菜，要不就是輔助角色和兩位核心不搭。
[–]husam-hanieh 64 指標 16小時前
Better than whatever the fuck Simmons has to offer in the playoffs.
哈登再怎麼說也特麼好過季後賽的西蒙斯。
[–]76ers CRUSTBUSTICUS 29 指標 14小時前
Hardens shot turns into Ben Simmons shot in playoff crunch time lmao.
76人球迷：呵呵呵呵，哈登的籃子到了季後賽關鍵時刻不一樣本西化了嘛。
[–]Celtics KGBetterDuncan 22 指標 15小時前
This exactly lol, people keep talking about Harden as if he guarantees a finals appearance. He’s not proven himself like Kawhi, LeBron, and Steph have.
凱爾特人球迷：就是，哈哈哈，別說得好像得到哈登就能穩進總決賽一樣。他還沒有像小卡、詹姆斯和庫裡一樣證明過自己。
[–]patssix 94 指標 16小時前
Harden is a way better player than Simmons ainec, the sixers would be lucky to have him
哈登比西蒙斯強太多好嘛，要是能搞到他，76人可得偷著樂。
[–]Suns Goodbadfugly 540 指標 16小時前
Harden and Embiid would be such a filthy combo.
太陽球迷：恩比德加哈登的組合應該會非常變態的。
[–]Nuggets dilbertsfriend 7 指標 12小時前
This is why I don’t get why people are saying this is a horrible trade. He’s a good fit when Simmons probably isn’t and any first round pick would be late anyway. Maybe 2 picks instead of 3 though
掘金球迷：所以我不明白為啥會有人說哈登換本西加三個首輪划不來啊。他和恩比德很搭，這也許是本西做不到的。不過或許再搭兩個首輪才正常。
[–]76ers thefreeman419 361 指標 16小時前*
Embiid would have room in the paint he never dreamed of seeing prior to this.
The potentially spacing with Harden, Green, Seth and Tobias is nuts.
76人球迷：要真成了，恩比德就能獲得他以前從未想過的內線空間。
哈登、格林、塞斯-庫裡和哈裡斯在場的話，那進攻空間不得起飛啊。
[–]Thunder revisioncloud 201 指標 15小時前
Harden was being double teamed at half court all season last year. If that doesn't space things, I don't know what will.
Or vice versa, Embiid frees up Harden. And that is either an automatic bucket or trip to the ft line.
雷霆球迷：上賽季整個賽季哈登剛過半場就會被包夾。如果這都不能拉開空間，那我不知道怎麼搞了。
反之也成立，恩比德能解放哈登。對方要麼送分要麼送罰球。
[–]76er ProfitLemon 16 指標 13小時前
Embiid was doubled in the post every possession this year. There just aren’t enough defenders on the court to guard Embiid and Harden together as long as the other three players can shoot
76人球迷：恩比德今年季後賽每個回合都被包夾。只要其他三個人有籃子，那對手就沒那麼多防守人同時去防恩比德和哈登。
[–]Lakers LOVEGOD77 20 指標 16小時前
For like 3 years though, if harden didn’t have a 3 in his age this would be a no brainer
湖人球迷：可問題是哈登也用不了幾年啊，如果他不到30，這筆交易還真不必猶豫。
[–]AsstToTheMrManager 5 指標 10小時前
why are you assuming harden won't be any good at 34?
你憑啥說哈登到了34歲就不行了呢？
[–][DAL] Jamal Mashburn havealooksee 3 指標 10小時前
That's Embiid's prime, so I think it is still a no brainer. Philly isn't getting a better shot a ring than this.
獨行俠球迷：到那時候可是恩比德的巔峰期啊，所以我覺得哪怕是這個年紀的哈登76人也不該猶豫。這是76人最好的爭冠機會，錯過了就沒了。
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[–]Buffalo Bravesdkdoki 14 指標 14小時前
Are ppl over rating simmons or under rating harden? Bc that seems like a fair deal to me
咱們到底是高看西蒙斯了呢？還是低估哈登了呢？因為我覺得這個交易方案很合理啊
[–]sciregian 13 指標 12小時前
For next two years it’s fair, but Simmons is locked on a long term deal and hasn’t hit his prime, and Harden would probably leave when his contract is up in two years. It’s a question of risking organic long term growth for short term success.
只看未來兩個賽季，是很合理，可是西蒙斯是有長約在身的，而且他還沒到巔峰期，但是兩年後哈登合同到期或許會走人的。這就看76人是否願意為了短期成功打亂長期規劃。
[–][GSW] Stephen Curry voldemortscore 34 指標 16小時前
I've been critical of the Sixers not trading Simmons but I wouldn't do this deal with the picks.
勇士球迷：之前76人不願意送走西蒙斯我是很看不慣的，但現在這個交易方案換成我的話，是不願意搭上三個首輪籤的。
[–]Rockets BFWinner 148 指標 16小時前
Just don’t trade Harden until the off season. Make him play
火箭球迷：暫時不交易哈登，還是先讓他打著唄。
[–]luffythechefghoul 13 指標 14小時前
I just want this saga to end with Harden being traded to a team like Sacramento or Hornets
我就希望這齣鬧劇最後的結局是哈登被送到國王或黃蜂這種隊。
[–][PHI] Eric Snow gustriandos 101 指標 16小時前
How about they meet in the middle at Simmons and 0 picks
76人球迷：要不雙方各讓一步，76人送出西蒙斯，火箭不要首輪籤。
[–]Kings StaffordComeback 1 指標 16小時前
They would definitely do a straight swap despite all the posturing.
國王球迷：別看76人現在姿態擺的這麼高，要是不搭選秀籤，他們肯定樂意。
[–][BOS] Larry Bird jaylson 50 指標 16小時前
The Rockets would be better off going the AD route if that's the best offer they get. Wait out this season, play Harden sparingly, and then trade him to a team that strikes out in FA. A straight Harden for Simmons swap is a bad trade for Houston.
凱爾特人球迷：火箭應該學學鵜鶘當年處理戴維斯的手段。先打完這個賽季，省著用哈登，到了休賽期再把他送走。現在單換西蒙斯不划算。
[–]76ers SonicdaSloth 28 指標 15小時前
James harden is 32 next summer. You arent getting an AD package for him
76人球迷：哈登明年夏天都32了，還指望能像戴維斯那樣換個大禮包回來啊？
[–]Mavericks killbill469 30 指標 15小時前
I do think Houston should wait, but I really don't think a straight Simmons-Harden swap is bad for Houston. You're trading a top 5 player for a 24 year old dude who is probably a top 15 player with very realistic potential to being a top 5-10 player. They don't need to do anything now, but I definitely don't think that would be a bad trade.
獨行俠球迷：我還真覺得火箭可以等等，但是單換西蒙斯也還可以。畢竟是用一個聯盟前五的球星去換一個只有24歲，或許目前是前15但很有可能成長為聯前5到前10的球員。
[–]76ers BlurpedWithTheHammer 8 指標 12小時前
Rockets fans don't want to do it, and I think Sixers fans are pretty leery about the possibility also, so it might be a fair deal.
76人球迷：火蜜覺得單換吃虧啊，而且我覺得我們76人球迷也不大感冒，所以單換搞不好還很合理。
[–]slv_bull 28 指標 15小時前
The odds of Embiid and Harden imploding after a season is so high. They'd likely trade Ben this offseason then have to move either Embiid or Harden after the season.
哈登和恩比德在一個賽季之後鬧掰的可能性還是蠻高的。76人要是現在送走了西蒙斯，那明年休賽期搞不好就得在哈登和恩比德之間二選一了。
[–]LegendaryCichlid 37 指標 16小時前
As both a Philly fan and a Harden follower, the rockets just gonna keep his ass there and let him pout.
Simmons is not equal value and the Rockets are not going to trade their showpiece for a guy who might one day transcend.
作為一名喜歡哈登的76人蜜，我覺得火箭還是先把這貨留著吧，不高興就隨他去。
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[–]Lakers Ace_FGC 625 指標 16小時前
People are saying too many picks like it’s not James harden. Lakers gave up 3 fore AD
湖人球迷：很多人都說火箭要的選秀籤太多了，可這是哈登啊。我湖當初為了戴維斯都送了三個。
[–]Lakers mantur200 99 指標 16小時前
harden is 31 and you will have to max him for 5 years in 2 years time, it's not the same situation, also ad isn't a better player, but he fits everywhere more easily
if i'm philly i'm not giving up more than simmons, there isn't a better offer on the market anyway
湖人球迷：哈登已經31了，而且你還得在兩年內和他籤下五年頂薪，這和戴維斯的情況不一樣，雖說戴維斯不見得比哈登更強，但他的適配性更強。
換做是我的話，最多用西蒙斯單換哈登，反正市場上也沒有更好的報價。
[–]Wizards livefreeordont 7 指標 14小時前
Which team does Harden not fit? He can guard 2-4, shoot, dribble, pass, and draw fouls. Which team doesn’t want that?
奇才球迷：那你倒是說說哈登的適配性怎麼就不行了？他可以防2到4號位，能投能帶能傳，還能造犯規。哪支球隊不想要這種球員？
[–][BOS] Larry Bird jaylson 84 指標 16小時前
Embiid is an injury prone, huge, soon to 27 year old big man. Every year that he's healthy in the playoffs is a blessing. The sixers window to win with Embiid is now.
凱爾特人球迷：而且恩比德這種大個也太玻璃了，馬上就27了。他能健康地參加季後賽都算是老天爺賞臉了。76人藉助恩比德爭冠的窗口期就是現在。
[–]76ers Hesi_Timbo 31 指標 13小時前
Which is why we built a roster around Simmons and Embiid. Panic selling our only guy who's young and healthy for a 2 year rental of a dude who clearly has locker room issues is how you get 1 semifinals loss and then Joel leaving Philly.
76人球迷：所以我們才會圍繞恩比德和西蒙斯搭建陣容啊。為了一個明顯有更衣室問題的兩年短工，就恐慌性賣掉我們隊內唯一一個年輕且健康的球星，結果只會是東部半決賽輸球之後恩比德離隊。
[–][PHI] Jeff Ruland Fhsjdjfhf 103 指標 16小時前
Simmons has much more value than any of the Lakers young players did at the time. Harden also isn't specifically forcing his way to Philly like AD was to LA.
76人球迷：況且西蒙斯現在的價值比湖人當初用來換戴維斯的任何年輕人都大得多。哈登也沒有像戴維斯當初非湖人不去一樣一門心思要來我費城。
[–]Heat OutlookNotGood 310 指標 16小時前
Harden may be worth those picks, but Philly only has to beat the best offers from other teams. I think Simmons alone is the best asset anyone can/will offer. If they add one pick to him it should be enough.
熱火球迷：或許哈登配得上那幾個選秀籤，但是現在76人只需要提供優於其他球隊的報價就行。我覺得光是西蒙斯一個人就夠了。再加一個選秀籤，那更是夠夠的。
[–]ElFuddLe 137 指標 16小時前
Not necessarily. Houston may decide to just let Harden play if no offer is good enough.
還真不一定。要是沒有足夠誘人的報價，休斯頓或許會讓哈登繼續留隊。
[–]Heat OutlookNotGood 57 指標 16小時前
Definitely true. But that’s a risk as well. Rockets could implode and there’s no guarantees the offers stay the same or improve.
熱火球迷：這是肯定的。不過這也很冒險啊。火箭搞不好會內亂，而且誰也不好說以後還能不能得到同樣或者更高的報價。
[–]Rockets WALLS_ROCKETS 138 指標 16小時前
Do you think that rockets believe they are still championship contenders? The answer is no. It’s pretty accepted among the fan base at least. The deals offered are terrible and would set the rockets back years. You 100% take the risk at this point of keeping him and hope better offers come. People just want us to trade him so bad right now
火箭球迷：難道你覺得我火還覺得自己是爭冠隊伍嗎？答案是否定的。至少我們火蜜已經接受了這個現實。目前的報價都不行，要是成了也會讓我火倒退好幾年。那肯定得冒險留下他然後寄希望於更好的報價出現。很多人就是巴不得我們立馬送走哈登。
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