Charles Barkley - 「Kevin Durant was a bus rider not a bus driver in Golden State」
NBA名宿巴克利近日在節目中談到KD時表示：「杜蘭特在勇士時期只是一名乘客，而不是司機。」
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[–]Spurs Nate_Shoober 1072 指標 1 天前
"My Next Stop"
馬刺球迷：「我的下一站！」
[–]youchoobtv 25 指標 1 天前
KD burner account INCOMING!
阿杜的小號要來啦！！！
[–]Lakers cjsrhkcjs 658 指標 1 天前
why can't there be two bus drivers, one for the first 12 hours, and one for the last 12 hours.
湖人球迷：為啥就不能有兩名大巴司機呢，一個開前面12個小時，另一個開剩下12小時。
[–]Raptors Kizz3r 347 指標 1 天前
Well if u have 2 bus drivers it’s probably more better to do it in 6 hour shifts instead of having a dude drive 12 hour straight
猛龍球迷：要是有兩名司機，那也許改成6小時一換更好。
[–]Raptors definitelynotagay 10 指標 1 天前
Tom Thibodeau would like a word
猛龍球迷：錫伯杜直呼內行。
[–]Knicks yooorick 516 指標 1 天前
sounds like KD needs PG to be his driver
尼克斯球迷：聽起來阿杜需要喬治做他的司機哦
[–]Celtics captaing1 600 指標 1 天前
I really want the nets to get PG. I just want to see three super insecure personalities interact on the nets.
凱爾特人球迷：我還真是希望籃網拿下喬治。就想看這個性都極不靠譜的哥仨在籃網碰頭。
[–][CLE] LeBron James aresman 73 指標 1 天前
I just lol'ed imagining that. The post game conferences would be gold
騎士球迷：光是想想就樂了。賽後發布會肯定很有料。
[–]Nuggets Official_CIA_Account 50 指標 1 天前
PG: Hey Kyrie? Do these shoes make me look fat?
KD checks out his own shoes in the mirror.
掘金球迷：喬治：「歐文啊，我穿這雙鞋是不是顯胖啊？」
阿杜對著鏡子看了看自己的鞋。
[–]leesheen 170 指標 1 天前
Please Santa. For this christmas, this is what i need.
拜託了聖誕老人，這就是我今年聖誕想要的禮物。
[–]Cassini__ 68 指標 1 天前
Considering KD’s, Kyrie’s and PG’s contracts total 107 million and the last seasons salary cap was 109 million, sadly I don’t think it will happen. And if it does they』d probably have to lose LeVert and Dinwiddie and not be able to resign Harris and at that point it’s not worth it.
可惜阿杜、歐文和喬治的薪資加起來有1.07億啊，上賽季的薪資帽就是1.09億，我覺得這事兒成不了。要真成了，那籃網就得失去勒維爾和丁威迪，也沒法和哈裡斯續約，這就不值當了。
[–][BKN] Joe Harris LinuxUbuntuOS 22 指標 1 天前
I'm not longer a Nets fan if this happens.
籃網球迷：要這事兒成了，我就不再是網蜜了。
[–]Pelicans Im_Daydrunk 37 指標 1 天前
That seems like a big overreaction. PG is still a really good player and having him be your 3rd best player would make his off nights a lot less harmful
Nets would an absolute force if Durant is healthy
鵜鶘球迷：你這就太誇張了吧。喬治依然是一名出色的球員，讓他做三當家的話，哪怕他偶爾打得不好，對球隊的傷害也小得多啊。
如果杜蘭特健康的話，那籃網肯定很強。
[–]aulixindragonz34 20 指標 1 天前
KD-kyrie-PG13 trio if KD is even only at 70-80% is at least ecf appearance imo,probably finals even.
阿杜、歐文和喬治的三巨頭組合要是成了的話，阿杜哪怕只有七八成的狀態，我覺得籃網至少也能打進東決，甚至是總決賽。
[–]Ronaldo Ace 19 指標 1 天前
I hate all of this type of crap that constantly goes on with discussions about the best players.
*put together great team and play great basketball and win it all*
- "it doesn't count! The team is too strong and they need all that HELP."
*be a great player on a crappy team and try do it yourself and fail*
- "Don't even discuss that player, let me know when they get some wins, first."
總是沒完沒了地討論這些頂級球員，我挺反感這些廢話的。
要是球隊組建得好，打出好成績奪冠了，那就是「這不算！這個球隊太強了，他們還是得靠幫手！」
要是在一支菜隊打得好，靠自己拼一把結果失敗了，那就是「沒那個必要討論他，等他們能贏球了再說吧！」
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[–]Gym JamJustice 4568 指標 1 天前
I guess we'll find out during his tenure as head coach of the Nets one day a week.
阿杜是司機還是乘客，這得等到他在籃網每周做一天的主教練之後才知道。
[–]jaytee158 23 指標 1 天前
Nash gets 3 days, KD and Kyrie get 2 each. But the only issue is that Nash's days coincide with off-days
納什做三天，阿杜和歐文各當兩天。唯一的問題是，納什的日子剛好和休息日重合。
[–]Raptors smeg_ 2827 指標 1 天前
Its gonna be hilarious watching KD and Kyrie inevitably collapse the moment they face a good team. Neither of them has ever been a leader. They'll eek out 50 wins, but come the 2nd round of the playoffs when they face adversity they'll collapse like the Clippers did
猛龍球迷：歐文和阿杜碰上強隊就難逃一崩，這場面看著肯定很可樂。他倆都不是當領袖的料。他們還是會蹭到50勝，但到了季後賽第二輪遇到逆境時，就會像快船一樣拉胯。
[–]Ok_Internet4444 53 指標 1 天前
No because the Nets are better built, didn't trade half their roster and KD > Kawhi/ Kyrie > PG
不會的，因為籃網的建隊模式更好，他們沒有送走半支球隊，而且阿杜強於小卡，歐文強於喬治。
[–]creampi3guy69 24 指標 1 天前
Kyrie Irving won’t even make it through the whole season. Guarantee he will get injured like he always does and it will be kd stuck by himself.
歐文甚至都打不了整個賽季。我保證，他會像以前一樣受傷，到時候就阿杜一個人被晾在那兒。
[–]Hawks Tankwagon SpeedRacing1 1990 指標 1 天前
I am looking forward to Kyrie's inevitable vague mid-season comments after a 5 game loss streak,
"I don't know, but we gotta figure it out. We're playing as individuals, not as a team, The other guys -- I mean, we all need to figure out our roles. The plays we're running -- we just gotta try some new stuff out I think, we have the talent, but it's just not clicking."
老鷹球迷：籃網要是賽季中期遇上五連敗，歐文肯定會陰陽怪氣，我很是期待這個場面哦。
「我不知道，不過我們得解決問題啊。我們打得太散了，不像個球隊。其他人——我的意思是，我們都得找準自己的定位。至於球隊的打法吧，我覺得咱們得嘗試點新花樣，我們有這個天賦，就是不對路子。」
[–]Supersonics IgnantWisdom 1474 指標 1 天前
That actually sounds much more reasonable of a take than what I would expect from Kyrie.
超音速球迷：你這話聽起來其實比我印象中的歐文理智多了。
[–]Raptors smeg_ 132 指標 1 天前
Yea he'll definately be throwing someone under the bus
猛龍球迷：對啊，歐文肯定會把別人往坑裡推的。
[–]Celtics latearrival42 197 指標 1 天前
It's going to be steve nash.
凱爾特人球迷：那人就是納什。
[–]Lakers kingofgamesbrah 86 指標 1 天前
Kryie - "why aint Nash playing? He just barking order he needa suit up..."
Nets - He's the God damn coach... and the earth ain't flat!
湖人球迷：歐文：「憑啥納什不打啊？難道就在場邊指手畫腳嗎？他得穿球衣上場……」
籃網：他尼瑪是主教練啊……而且地球也不是平的！
[–]Trail Blazers DunkingOnInfants 10 指標 1 天前*
『I do not mean to say that I don’t respect coach, but he ain’t the one out sweating, diving on the floor. He’s not putting up shots, he’s in a suit. We’re the ones playing. It’s about us players, and I’m worried about our players. You’re wearing a suit, so just do suit things, and shut up.』
開拓者球迷：「我那話沒有不尊重教練的意思，可是他又沒在上場流汗摔打。他又沒投籃，他就穿著西裝。場上打球的是我們啊。是我們球員啊，我替我們自己捉急啊。你既然西裝革履，那就體面點，閉嘴。」
[–]Nuggets freakymreaky 54 指標 1 天前
That boy LeVert stole my shots, we need to pass more, especially levert he needa to pass more and I need to be more aggressive like harden maybe and levert needs to learn to share the ball. We could use more passing like how many shots levert has taken today probably too many? I also dont believe in corona I think the fans should come if there were fans here today levert would have passed more.
掘金球迷：「勒維爾內小子搶走了我的出手機會，我們必須多傳球啊，尤其是勒維爾，他得多傳，我得像哈登一樣打得更有侵略性，勒維爾必須學會分享球。咱們本來是可以多傳球的，勒維爾今天投了多少次來著？是不是太多了些啊？而且新冠啥的我也不信，我覺得球迷們應該進場看球，要是今天有球迷的話，勒維爾就會多傳傳球的。」
[–]Hawks Tankwagon SpeedRacing1 587 指標 1 天前
Kyrie from a high level usually sounds reasonable about basketball, it's just if you look at what he's saying he's always trying to offload blame to his team or circumstances.
老鷹球迷：清醒的歐文一般在談到籃球時還是蠻理智的，你看看他以前說過的話就知道了，他老是想甩鍋給隊友或外部環境。
[–]Hawks WhiteHeterosexualGuy 347 指標 1 天前
yep lol he uses the word "we" a lot then makes sure to clarify hes not talking about himself
老鷹球迷：是啊，哈哈哈，他經常用「我們」，就是為了刻意表明他不是在說自己。
[–]Warriors hoffmanmclaunsky 37 指標 1 天前
At this point I don't know of any Warriors fans who care about defending KDs move. It was unfair, he fucked the balance of the league, Warriors predictably won titles and injury was the only thing that could stop them. Most Warriors fans don't give a shit about KDs legacy and defending it.
勇士球迷：都這地步了，我不知道還有沒有勇蜜為阿杜當年離開雷霆說幾句好話。這是不應該的，他當時破壞了聯盟的平衡，勇士如大家所料地贏了倆冠軍，傷病是他們唯一的障礙。大多數勇蜜壓根不在乎KD的成就，也不會為其發聲。
[–]NBA Vmurda 29 指標 1 天前
Agreed. Most Warrior fans I know think of KD as a mercenary, and are just glad they were able to get some titles out of him before he bounced
同意。我認識的大部分勇蜜都覺得阿杜是個僱傭兵，僅僅是為球隊能在他的幫助下奪冠而感到高興。
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[–]Lakers spicywardell 141 指標 1 天前
didn’t KD’s thunder win 60 games the year westbrook went down? KD won mvp that year. 2014
湖人球迷：威少倒下的那個賽季阿杜不是帶領雷霆拿下過60勝嗎？2014年吧，阿杜還拿了MVP.
[–]76ers MadBeamer 204 指標 1 天前
He also went to the finals as the best player on the team at 23 yo and put up 30/6/2 with a block and a steal per game... KD slander is getting ridiculous especially since he's coming off of an achilles tear
76人球迷：他還在23歲的年紀以隊內最強點的身份率隊打進總決賽，場均30分6板2助1帽1斷……現在對阿杜的抹黑也太過分了些吧，何況他剛剛從跟腱撕裂中恢復過來。
[–]Thunder treemeista 106 指標 1 天前
Yeah, this thread is fucking crazy. At the very least, KD was co-leader with Westbrook on those Thunder teams. I know a lot of Thunder fans will disagree, but in real time, people didn’t look at Russ as the sole leader of the Thunder.
雷霆球迷：對啊，這個帖子就特麼離譜。再怎麼說，阿杜當年也是雷霆的領袖之一。我知道，很多雷蜜會否認，可現實是，當年大家並不覺得威少是雷霆唯一的領袖。
[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook wcooper97 9 指標 1 天前
Russ got shit on all the time for shooting 20 times and averaging 5 assists back then. It wasn't until we lost to the Grizzlies in 2013 and had some tough stretches after KD cooled off in 2014 that made them think "hey maybe this guy is the heart and soul of the team."
雷霆球迷：當年威少因為場均出手20次5助一直被噴。直到我們在13年輸給灰熊，14年阿杜狀態不行球隊卻打出一些強勢表現之後，大家才開始覺得「或許這傢伙才是雷霆的靈魂」。
[–][OKC] Hasheem Thabeet Trevor_Sunday 51 指標 1 天前
It's becoming very clear this sub is about reactionary takes and trendy hate. Did this idiot say Kd would lose in the second round with Kyrie and a bench that could probably make the playoffs on its own? Lmao
雷霆球迷：越來越明顯了，這個論壇就是抖機靈拉仇恨。明明籃網光靠歐文和一幫替補就差點衝進季後賽了，可上邊兒不還有個蠢貨說阿杜會在季後賽第二輪輸球嗎？笑死個人。
[–]76ers Bandwagon Scrotum_Phillips 17 指標 1 天前
Nets are going to have to beat the Heat, raps, and /or Bucks by the second round. Smart money is on the Nets not making the ECF next season.
76人球迷：籃網下賽季得在第二輪擊敗熱火、猛龍或者雄鹿才行啊。聰明的話就不該賭他們下賽季打進東決。
[–]Warriors fopiecechicken 17 指標 1 天前
And it’s not like the Warriors carried him to a title... say what you want about him coming to us, but he balled the fuck out in the playoffs.
Call him weak for the move fine, but to act like he wasn’t neck and neck with Steph for best player on the team is kinda disingenuous.
勇士球迷：當初阿杜在我勇也不是蹭冠啊……他離開雷霆你們想咋說隨意，但他尼瑪在季後賽確實是暴強。
你要說他離開雷霆的操作不地道那也沒啥，可要是覺得他當時在我勇不是和庫裡並列隊內最佳，那就有點不厚道了。
[–]macklowe 8 指標 19小時前
They were neck-and-neck for best offense, and Durant is hands-down a better defender.
他倆在進攻端並駕齊驅，可阿杜的防守明顯更強。
[–]Lakers doodypoo 50 指標 1 天前
KD and Kyrie both been in positions to be leaders, I think KD was a on-the-floor leader for the Thunder during their peak years, but they clearly both are not great locker room guys. I think they will probably instill a 「my way or the highway」 for the Nets group.
湖人球迷：阿杜和歐文一直都擔負著隊內領袖的責任，我覺得阿杜在雷霆是場上領袖，可他倆明顯都不是很好的更衣室球員。我覺得他倆或許給籃網注入一種「不聽話就滾蛋」的風氣。
[–]Lakers Allblackallamerican 46 指標 1 天前
Eh, KD is miles better than Russ and Kyrie, but Russ and Kyrie have bigger voices.
KD went to Golden State just so that he didn’t have to be the leader. Sure, he was the best option on the floor, and he』ll probably always be the best option on the floor for as long he plays. But if he can’t find that leadership quality, he’s never gonna lead a team to a title, let alone multiple.
He’s already 32. If he hasn’t found that quality yet, it ain’t coming.
湖人球迷：呃，威少和歐文連阿杜的尾燈都看不到，可他倆更具聲量。
阿杜去勇士就是為了不當老大。當然了，他在場上是最佳選擇，而且只要他還能打，也許一直是場上的最強選擇。可如果他沒法磨鍊出那種領袖能力，那他永遠都沒法帶隊奪冠，更別說多次奪冠。
他已經32了，如果身上還沒那種領袖氣質，那就不會有了。
[–]Lakers LOVEGOD77 18 指標 1 天前
I love how the basketball community is preying on the Nets downfall. (I actually want them to make the finals now)
湖人球迷：就喜歡大家都盼著籃網崩潰的樣子。（其實我現在挺希望他們明年打進總決賽的）
[–]Magic EmperorKyoka 15 指標 1 天前
If either of those guys come back at 100% its trouble for the east. I swear people have goldfish memory.
魔術球迷：但凡阿杜和歐文有一個能恢復滿血狀態，那東部就麻煩了。到時候大家肯定是金魚記憶。
[–]Raptors WickedWorld91 35 指標 1 天前
They definitely think they're going to walk all over the East. But man, Bucks, Celtics, Raptors, Heat, and maybe the Sixers if they can figure it out, I would definitely bet the Nets will get knocked out in the second round by one of these teams.
猛龍球迷：歐文和阿杜肯定覺得籃網可以碾壓東部啊。可是呢，還有雄鹿、凱爾特人、猛龍、熱火啊，或許有76人（前提是能撥亂反正），我絕對願意打賭籃網下賽季會在季後賽第二輪被以上球隊之一淘汰。
[–]meertatt 16 指標 1 天前
for some reason I feel like the bucks are going to make a move for Chris Paul. If they can somehow make Chis Paul, Giannis and Middleton work they will legit be favorites. I dont know the cap situation for the Bucks so im sure it would be too complicated to take on that salary but damn it feels like a good fit. If that happens the Nets can kiss any chance of getting to the finals goodbye
不知咋回事，我就覺得雄鹿會追求保羅。如果保羅、字母哥和米德爾頓能擦出火花，那雄鹿真就成奪冠熱門了。雄鹿的薪資狀況咋樣我還不清楚，情況應該會很複雜，不過這個組合太特麼合適了。如果真成了，那籃網可以和進入決賽的任何機會說拜拜了。
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[–][BRK] Brook Lopez dgarrad 477 指標 1 天前
Technically he's correct IMO. Steph made that teams entire system work, without him the team does not work. That being said KD took them over an edge we've never seen before. Steph was the driver but KD was the dude telling him where to turn.
籃網球迷：嚴格來說，我覺得巴克利說得沒錯。庫裡是讓那支勇士整個體系運轉起來的人，沒有他的話球隊運轉不暢。話雖如此，阿杜也讓勇士對其他球隊的優勢大到了前所未見的地步。庫裡是司機，不過阿杜是那個告訴他往哪兒開的人。
[–]Young Man891 42 指標 1 天前
Steph WAS the bus. KD was the driver
庫裡是大巴，阿杜是司機。
[–]Heat Doesthisevenmatter7 38 指標 1 天前
Are we still debating this I thought it was pretty much known that KD was the best player but Steph was the most important.
熱火球迷：難道這還有得爭嗎？早就很明顯了啊，阿杜之前是勇士的最強點，但庫裡是最重要的。
[–]45MJ23 17 指標 1 天前
Steph was the most valuable and impactful player of the team, and that's why he's the best player on the team. He already showed it in the '16 WCFs.
庫裡是最有價值且最有影響力的，所以他才是那支勇士的最強點。他在16年西決已經展現過了。
[–]Bulls ClaymoresRevenge 174 指標 1 天前
It really doesn't matter not every player needs to be the leader. If they show up when it counts then it doesn't matter.
公牛球迷：司機、乘客啥的真沒啥，又不是每個球員都得做領袖。如果有這個特質，那倒不錯，不然就沒關係啊。
[–]Timberwolves DuBakElite 105 指標 1 天前
Except KD isn’t 「every player」. He’s going to be held to a higher standard
森林狼球迷：可你阿杜不是「每個球員」啊。大家自然是要以更高的標準要求他。
[–][MEM] Marc Gasol KBDog67 59 指標 1 天前
Except KD was playing the best with the best stats on that team. He did what he needed to do. Only reason this narrative is still alive is because KD took the easy way out.
灰熊球迷：可阿杜是那支勇士數據最好打得最好的人啊。他做了自己需要做的。之所以「乘客說」這種論調到今天仍然大行其道，僅僅是因為阿杜當初選擇了容易的路。
[–]Cavaliers FuriousXV 14 指標 1 天前
I think that what he did in OKC doesnt matter to the point Charles is making, from what I understood he's talking about players that were/are leaders on championship teams, and KD wasn't.
騎士球迷：我覺得阿杜在雷霆的成就和巴克利想要表達的觀點沒有任何關係，就我所理解的，巴克利指的是冠軍球隊的領袖，而阿杜不是。
[–]Raptors ThaNorth 148 指標 1 天前
Why are people so obsessed with players not being leaders? Who gives a fuck, lol. Not everyone is natural born leader.
猛龍球迷：球員是不是領袖，你們幹嘛要抓著不放呢？誰在乎啊，哈哈。又不是人人生來就是領袖。
[–]Never BeNumber2 37 指標 1 天前
He could of joined anyone else made his own team teaming up but he went to a team in back to back finals winning one (should of won 2 but we won't get into that) they had a dynasty already forming
他本可以加盟其他任何球隊自己組隊，可他加盟了一支差點兩連冠的強隊，人家的王朝早就初具雛形了。
[–]Supersonics allmyaccsarebanned 42 指標 1 天前
No way to be so sure it is a dynasty without KD. 2015 vs an injured cavs team, then the all time choke, and then a grudge match with a 2017 cavs team that still had kyrie and could have beat the 2017 warriors without KD.
超音速球迷：要是沒有阿杜，勇士的王朝絕不可能那麼穩。15年勇士打得是一支殘陣騎士，下一年又是歷史級拉胯，接下來又遇到了那支仍然有歐文的死對頭騎士，要是沒有阿杜，騎士是可以戰勝17勇士的。
[–]Warriors SideOfHashBrowns 19 指標 1 天前
You are right but this take stings me since the main reason for warrior hate after the kd signing was that it was such an un needed move since they already had the league on lock.
勇士球迷：你說的沒錯，可我也不爽啊，畢竟阿杜加盟之後大家噴我勇的主要觀點就是，我勇在那之前就已經在聯盟橫行無阻了，引進阿杜毫無必要。
[–]Heat DydoDeChamp 30 指標 1 天前
I think this is what has left everyone, warriors fans and haters, unsatisfied.
Warriors fans think Steph could've come back, proved he's the best player in the league, and won another title or two, probably a FMVP as well.
Warriors haters think Lebron would've won another ring or two and challenege MJ by putting a 3 peat on his resume.
Both 2015 and 16 had injuries that made it unclear who was the better team and arguably who was the better player.
We never got to determine who was the better of the two teams. We never got the final head to head of Curry vs Lebron.
That's why I'll never forgive KD. 2017 could've been the greatest finals series in NBA history.
熱火球迷：所以勇蜜和噴子都不滿意啊。
勇蜜覺得要是阿杜沒來，庫裡還能強勢回歸，證明自己是聯盟最強，再拿一兩個冠軍，或許還有FMVP。
勇黑覺得要是阿杜沒去，詹姆斯就能多拿一兩個冠軍，從而挑戰喬丹的三連冠。
15和16年的勇士和騎士都有傷病，哪個隊更強就沒那麼明了，當時的庫裡和詹姆斯誰更強也不清楚。
咱們從來都沒機會去決定他倆誰更好，從來都沒機會看到庫裡和老詹最終的硬碰硬。
所以我永遠都不會原諒阿杜。17年總決賽本有可能是NBA史上最偉大的總決賽。
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來源：Reddit
編譯：雲長刮個痧