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AEE Episode 1247: The Magic of the Aha Moment
Announcer: This is an All Ears English podcast Episode 1247: "The Magic of the Aha Moment"
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Announcer: What is an aha moment and how can you have more of them? Find out how to use this phrase and why it will help you reflect on life on a deeper level.
Michelle: Hey (hi) Lindsay, how's it going?
Lindsay: Excellent, Michelle, I'm feeling good. I tried a little surfing over the weekend, and that was fun. I got jostled by the waves, as I shared on Instagram. Guys, you should be on our Instagram channel if you're not over there.
Michelle: Definitely. Ohh my gosh, I am having so much fun over there. I feel, like, it's cool. Because it's, like, a another, like – like- like, cool place for all of our listeners to hang out. You know? Because it happens, a lot – a lot of it happens in very real time.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), it's so real. There are so many people over there. I mean, you shared over the weekend, you were doing yoga I think? Is that what was going on?
Michelle: No, I was dancing.
Lindsay: Okay, dancing.
Michelle: It looked like yoga, actually. That's funny. Yeah (yes), so, I was dancing, and I was, you know. So, you guys can learn extra stuff over there, and I feel like it's just another, like, way for us to build our community. That we're getting to know each other more, even.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), it's so cool. So, guys, go over and find All Ears English on Instagram. I love that. I love that. Yay!
Michelle: Definitely. So, Lindsay, as an entrepreneur, can you describe maybe an aha moment that you've had?
Lindsay: Totally. I mean, I definitely, I'll never forget the moment. It sounds so cheesy, but it's so true. I'm telling you the truth. I'll never forget the moment when our -- our slogan -- not just our slogan, our mission, our vision, Connection NOT Perfection™, when it first came up. It actually came up in the middle of an episode that we were recording, where we said it. We were trying to deliver a message to our listeners. It was with my former co-host, and we just said it on the mike, and we looked at each other. We're like, "Ohh my gosh, that's brilliant. Like, that's exactly what we need to stand for. That's what we have to believe in." So, that was ...So, I can still remember, like, where I was sitting, what was going on. Yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Michelle: That's amazing. Yeah (yes), I love that. Yeah (yes), recently, I heard someone use this phrase that I think they were talking about how they realized they wanted to have a certain career. They said something like, "And my aha moment was when I..." I can't remember what they said. But yeah (yes), I love it. I mean, what in the world is an "aha moment", Lindsay?
Lindsay: It's when you say "aha".
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Right, right. So guys, this means it's when the light bulb goes on, and all of a sudden the clouds clear, and something becomes so clear, and it's just, like, a message from above.
Michelle: Right, right. And I like how you said it, with "aha." I love it because it's kind of, it's really, like, not a sound effect, but it's something that you would just, like, naturally say, "aha", and it's changed into an actual expression, and instead of saying "aha", like, we can actually describe that moment by saying "an aha moment", kind of changed into that.
Lindsay: I love that. If our listeners could start using this, guys, you would make some real connections. Because you want to be able to ask people this question. Right? You want to be able to ask in their careers, in their personal lives, maybe in their romantic life, did you have an aha moment? I think it's all about internal – internal reflection -- this aha moment. Don't you think?
Michelle: Ohh yeah (yes). I think, you know, it's when you realize something that you didn't know. Right? It could happen in a couple ways. So, for example, you could say something like, okay, let's say you're proving something you knew. So, that's one way you could do it. So, you could say this is just about "aha", right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), right. A little different, right, yeah (yes).
Michelle: So, a little bit different, right? So, we'll get to it, though. So, okay, if you're just saying "aha", so, you might say, "Aha, I knew you weren't doing work. Get off your phone."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), that's kind of like when you're, like, accusing someone, or you're catching someone in the act of something. Right? I think the tone of voice is a little different too. Right, it's like "aha". Right? It's slightly different, I don't know.
Michelle: I just said it, and I don't even realize, yeah (yes). Another time, like, let's say it's also for realizing or deciding something, right? You might say it in a different way. You might say, like, "Aha, I should wear the blue dress, because the bride is wearing a pink dress." I don't know why, you know? Who knows?
Lindsay: Interesting. Yeah (yes), I love that, I love that. And then, what's the third situation where you're trying to figure out something out, right, and you're almost there. I love that.
Michelle: Right, right, right. So, let's say you're, like, "I see, aha, so, that's why you wanted to go to the movies." Or, "Aha, so, you use applesauce, not oil."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I like that. It's like when you're trying to take notes from a pro, and you're trying to learn things, or asking them all these questions. Because you want to get good at that thing, right? Like, "Aha, I see how you set up your organization." or ''I see how you do this." Right? So, it's, like, secrets that you're learning.
Michelle: Exactly, exactly. So, that's kind of, you know, separate from an "aha moment", but, you know, the aha moment, getting back to that, is really when you realize something. Maybe it's a bit of a surprise to you, or something that you weren't expecting. Right? So, let's talk more about aha moments.
Lindsay: Yes.
Michelle: So, when might someone say they had an aha moment, Lindsay?
Lindsay: Well, definitely when you're talking about career choice. Right? So, if you, you know, you didn't know you wanted to be in a certain career, and then maybe you had some life experience that made you realize, for example, "I was thinking about working in marketing, but I had an aha moment when I saved a squirrel in the park. Then I knew I was meant to be a veterinarian." That's so beautiful. Did that happen to you, Michelle? Are you thinking of becoming a veterinarian?
Michelle: Who? Me? No, ohh my gosh, I would be running in the other direction. I mean, I would want to save the squirrel, but I wouldn't know how, and I'd be scared. It would just not be good.
Lindsay: I mean, squirrels are cute, but they're so aggressive these days. I think we've talked about this.
Michelle: These days, yeah (yes), we just recently talked about squirrels stealing food. I love how you say "these days." Like, as in the past, like, squirrels used be, like, a lot more chilled out, and now I don't know what's going on with them.
Lindsay: It's true. I do. I have some theories about that, but we will get into, that will be another episode.
Michelle: Okay, I'll have to hear about the later, for sure.
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: Or another thing is, like, let's say you couldn't figure out the answer to something you had to write about for a paper. Like, you had an essay to write, and then you realized what to do all of a sudden. I remember being like that in school, being, like, "I'm stuck. I'm stuck. I'm stuck." So, alright, here we go, "I wasn't sure how to answer the question about my best role model. Then I had an aha moment when I remembered how my supervisor helped me significantly all throughout school. I wrote about her."
Lindsay: That's great. So, trying to think of something to write about. Maybe drawing a blank, as writers do. Right?
Michelle: Right, right, right, exactly. And what's another one. Lindsay?
Lindsay: Alright, so, talking about, like, when you met a significant other. Okay. So, for example, "I didn't think we were compatible, but I had an aha moment when he visited me when I was sick. He was so sweet, and I knew he was the one." I think we all, we all probably have this moment with our partners, when we can remember that something just, we realize that maybe they were the one for us. Right? Or many of us do. Yeah (yes).
Michelle: Yeah (yes), actually, that's true. Are there any other times you can think of for when you might use this "aha moment", Lindsay?
Lindsay: I think, I really think we've covered them well here, Michelle. I mean, these are kind of most of them, honestly. I think any time we come to a realization, and things become clear.
Michelle: Yeah. Right, right, that's the key here. Right? So, it could be clear, for whatever reason, but you can call it an "aha moment", and I like what you said, Lindsay, about the light bulb, right, the light bulb goes off. Right?
Lindsay: Yes.
Michelle: And it's like "aha", right, something becomes clear. So..But there are other things that we can say that are similar to this, if maybe we don't want to say "aha moment", maybe we feel a little bit funny, but you shouldn't. Right? First of all, I mean, Lindsay, I just thought of something. Would you say "aha moment," like, in a job interview, or with a boss? Kind of tricky.
Lindsay: Like, in terms of describing, or what do you mean? Like?
Michelle: Like, formally. I mean, like, how formal is it? Like, let's say, you know, you're on a job interview, and they want to ask how you got into such and such, and you say, "I was in this career." and you want to talk about how something changed. Could you use "aha moment ", or do you think it would sound funny?
Lindsay: I think you could. I think you could. I think it just depends on the rapport that you've already built, right, in that room with that person. Are you building a rapport where you can loosen up a little bit? It's a bit of a storytelling kind of thing when we add the "aha", "And then I realized", "Aha, I understood how to do this." It requires a level of playfulness to some extent, right? So, you just need, have you built that relationship and that rapport to the point where you can use it? That's what I think.
Michelle: That's good. Yeah (yes), I agree with you. I think that's good. Yeah (yes), so, what else could we say, Lindsay? What's one thing?
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Lindsay: Okay, so, "that's when I knew", and this also goes back to, like, meeting your partner, and having some experience when you knew that they were the right person for you, but here's another example. "So, we went to the store, and I saw a stray dog wandering around, and that's when I knew I had to get a pet, a rescue one specifically."
Michelle: Nice, nice. So, that's another way to say "an aha moment". Right? Or here's another one, "moment of clarity". Right? Yeah (yes), so, "I had a moment of clarity at the football game. I should work as a stadium tour guide. I love being there, and I love working with people."
Lindsay: You know what I love about these aha moments? They always come when you're not, well, when it comes to work at least, they never come when you're sitting at your desk, like, trying to struggle.
Michelle: That's true.
Lindsay: They always come for me when I go out and I get active. Like, if I'm on a jog or a walk or I'm out in the world doing something else, then those moments come. It's really interesting.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), it's kind of, you know, so, maybe sometimes when you're stuck, you've just got to get away from your desk. You know, just get out there, and sometimes it'll just come to you naturally then.
Lindsay: But it's counterintuitive. Because you would think if you're stuck, you've got to work through the problem, sit down, dig in and work through, but that's not always true. Yeah (yes).
Michelle: That's a good point, Lindsay. And what's the last one?
Lindsay: So, it's a "moment of realization". Right? So, "I don't know how it happened, but I did have a moment of realization when the teacher called on me and I wasn't paying attention. I had to work harder, and I was inspired to work so hard that I became number one in the class." Okay, so, in this case the person, you know, almost slipped academically, and they realized they had to pick it up.
Michelle: Right, right, right, exactly. Lindsay, I think we say that word differently.
Lindsay: How do you say it?
Michelle: So, I heard you saying "realization." I say "realization."
Lindsay: You might be right. I don't know.
Michelle: I don't know. Maybe it's just like, no, I mean, it's just an interesting thing. I don't think it's wrong or right. I love, you know, when I hear someone saying something different. And guys, you know, that goes to show you that not all people in the U.S., not all native English speakers, speak the same. So, it's a slight difference, but sometimes it's kind of fun to notice these things.
Lindsay: That is really fun, and the way I hear you say that I feel like there's a hint of Brooklyn in there. Maybe from your parents, for example. Kind of like softening the vowels a little bit. Could that be?
Michelle: "Realization", I don't know. I'm going to take a poll. I don't know. Maybe I'll ask around and ask how people how they...
Lindsay: Ask around.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), you ask around too. Because I want to get to the bottom of this.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I want to know. I'm curious. We'll do an update for our listeners.
Michelle: Okay, okay. Alright. So guys, so, how do these moments help us, these aha moments? So, what about in English, right, just in general? When we have an aha moment, we never forget them. Right, Lindsay? Like you said with Connection NOT Perfection™, you remember where you were sitting, you remember the moment. It's stuck in your mind.
Lindsay: It's amazing. it's amazing how we remember these moments, because they are so pivotal. Right? Because that particular moment gave our show such meaning. And so it meant so much. It was so important. So, I love how we can remember these moments, yeah (yes).
Michelle: Exactly. And guys, for your English, you know, you might have an aha moment, where you realize that you know how to connect with others. Maybe you had one good or bad experience that teaches you something very important and critical for the future. Right? So, maybe you're, like, out and having a conversation, and you realize either -- either I understand something all of a sudden that I couldn't, and I'm having an aha moment, "Ohh, I see how that works, right, how to use that word." or maybe it's a moment where you're having trouble, and you realize, "Aha, I'm having this aha moment. I want to be able to improve my English. I want to work hard, and I need to do such and such to get there." Right? So, whatever it is, you might have some of those aha moments with language learning.
Lindsay: Yeah, but I think the point here, I think a great takeaway, just to extend on what you just said Michelle, the only way to have aha moments is to get out into the world. Get up from your desk, get away from your textbook, and go out there. We want you to have the kinds of aha moments where maybe you don't have the perfect grammar, but you still build that connection. You realize that you can still do it. You can still connect. So, get out into the world. I think that's the takeaway for me today. What's your takeaway, Michelle?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), I think that's great, Lindsay. I think aha moments are really beautiful and amazing. I think they're really just, they're fun, and it's like, "Wow, I can't believe I figured something out that I was waiting on." You know? And these phrases are really useful. So, try and use them today with other people. Because I think you'll notice that you can connect with people over these aha moments.
Lindsay: I love it. This is so great. And guys, remember, if you want to see us out in the world engaging with you and teaching you English in the real world, go and join our Instagram channel. Find us on Instagram. We'll see you guys over there.
Michelle: Alright, definitely. Well, this was fun Lindsay. Thanks for hanging out, and thanks, guys, for listening.
Lindsay: Very cool. Talk to you soon, Michelle. Bye.
Michelle: Bye.
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