【鍵盤俠】安東尼-沃克認為字母哥該得MVP|他真的比哈登強嘛?

Antoine Walker: "I think Giannis over Harden [for MVP]. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching Harden play. But when you're dribbling 20 times, you're going 5-19 from 3, it's tough to give a guy like that MVP."

安東尼-沃克：「我覺得今年字母哥應該在MVP評選上是超過哈登的，先別急著噴我，我還是挺喜歡看哈登打球的，但是一個是運球殺進禁區20次，一個是在三分線外19中5，我覺得很難給後者MVP吧。」

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[–]Lakersthedoctor0918 1600 points 9 hours ago

I enjoy watching Harden play.

Proceeds to shit on Harden’s playstyle lol

湖人球迷：我很享受哈登這麼打球——然後後面就開始噴哈登打球方式哈哈哈。

[–]CelticsEnjoyWolfCola 498 points 9 hours ago

He’s being ironic and shitting on his own playstyle via Harden.

凱爾特人球迷：真的諷刺，如果他說哈登的打球方式不好不就等於在罵自己？

（註：安東尼-沃克非常喜歡浪投三分）

[–][GSW] Jordan BellCalamariEnthusiast 71 points 6 hours ago

god I fucking love steph but the fact that people are using him as a benchmark for 3P efficiency is absurd lol

勇士球迷：老天，我非常喜歡史蒂芬-庫裡，但是如果人們用他來表達三分是更有效率的得分方式簡直不要太滑稽啊。

[–]Bucksweliveinasociety-ye 725 points 8 hours ago

the reasoning for giannis over harden is defense and team success, not harden sometimes going 5-19 from 3 lmao

雄鹿球迷：老實說字母哥能比哈登強只可能是因為防守或者是雄鹿戰績更好一些，並不是哈登偶爾會投出三分19中5這樣糟糕命中率的原因哈哈哈。

[–]pkwjphotos 345 points 8 hours ago

Walker is just jealous Harden is allowed to jack up 19 threes without anyone trying to stop him or complain about it.

沃克僅僅是嫉妒哈登能被允許投19個三分而且還沒人阻止他並且抱怨他吧哈哈哈。

[–]Warriorsuncomfortablyhigh 91 points 6 hours ago*

when asked why he shot so many 3s, he responded "because there are no 4s.」

勇士球迷：當被問及沃克為什麼投這麼多三分時，他的回應是「因為沒有4分球。」

[–]RaptorsSimhim12 39 points 5 hours ago

Antoine "43% from the line and 40% from 3" Walker

猛龍球迷：安東尼奧-43%罰球命中率、40%三分球命中率-沃克。

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[–]Knickswhyallthefire 119 points 8 hours ago

Harden's not even going 5-19, he's shooting 37.5% from three, that's 5-13

Fantastic percentage considering pretty much all of those are contested, off the dribble step backs

尼克斯球迷：哈登三分線外可不是19中5，他的三分球命中率是37.5%，這是13中5.

考慮到他遭遇這麼多嚴防死守還有那麼多後撤步三分，這個數據非常優秀啊。

[–]Celticsclumsynoah 73 points 8 hours ago

The guy's completely unrivaled in his efficiency on the 12-dribble stepback 3 against a defense that knows you want that.

It is a lot more fun to watch the Bucks though, Giannis uses possessions quicker and with more reliable plays, he isn't really missing the rebounds or assists, and he's a bonus center on defense.

It's kinda hard to believe that Harden's game isn't fun to watch because people were willing to watch Kobe take 40 shots all throughout the 2000's, but I do believe it. Maybe it's the historically many free throws taking up time, maybe it's the beard. IMO even more importantly, it's difficult to watch a 10 man roster where 60% of the team salary is injured.

凱爾特人球迷：這傢伙能連運十二次並且在對抗防守的同時命中後撤步三分，這種效率簡直無與倫比啊。

但是現在看雄鹿的比賽更有趣，字母哥更快並且能打出更多可依賴的回合，他不會錯過任何籃板以及助攻，在防守端他站核心中鋒的位置。

很難相信哈登的比賽不有趣，因為人們在2000年時很願意看到科比瘋狂出手40次，但是我確實相信哈登的比賽沒那麼有趣，畢竟罰球佔去了太多的時間，或者有的人就是因為哈登覺得不有趣的，但是更重要的是，當你翻開火箭的十人大名單時，你會發現他們佔60%球隊薪水的球員都受傷了。

[–]Knickswhyallthefire 40 points 8 hours ago

I honestly love watching harden

尼克斯球迷：老實說，我還挺喜歡看哈登打球的。

[–]Bullsmonolith17 469 points 10 hours ago

I actually think Giannis is going to win it over harden.

Harden has been an insane usage guy, but Giannis is putting up unreal stats and team success has to matter at some point.

公牛球迷：我真的相信字母哥最後會在MVP評選中贏下哈登。

哈登的使用率太浮誇了，但是字母哥的數據不可思議，而且某些時刻球隊戰績也挺重要的吧。

[–]Celticsbrajpop 112 points 6 hours ago

Efficiency and defense as well.

凱爾特人球迷：而且效率和防守也……

[–]LakersJimmyB3574 58 points 6 hours ago

What? So harden putting up 36/7/8 arent insane stats? Thats crazy

湖人球迷：啥？36+7+8不是一個不可思議的數據嗎？這太瘋狂了吧。

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[–]Netsbhoops97 32 points 6 hours ago

I think Harden can still win it but the rockets have to go on a run and get to at least the 3rd seed in the West. Harden is not winning the MVP if the Rockets are the 5th seed.

But yeah I agree, Giannis is the favorite at this very moment. If the season ended today, he』d win

籃網球迷：我覺得哈登能繼續贏下MVP，但是火箭得繼續暴走並且至少在西部拿到三號種子，如果火箭僅僅排名第五我覺得哈登拿不到MVP。

但是我也同意，字母哥現在是聯盟的當紅辣子雞，如果這個賽季現在結束，他會拿MVP的。

[–]76ersLJFozzz 45 points 5 hours ago

i mean westbrook won it with the thunder as a 6 seed; I think harden deserves it

76人球迷：威少當年西部第六都能拿MVP，我覺得哈登同樣實至名歸。

[–]SpursGGezpzMuppy 169 points 10 hours ago

Lmao saying the only reason Giannis deserves the MVP is because Harden cant shoot lol

馬刺球迷：這言論挺搞笑的哈，字母哥能贏哈登唯一的原因是因為哈登能射？

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 102 points 9 hours ago

Ironic cause Giannis shoots 21% from three

籃網球迷：更諷刺的是字母哥三分球命中率21%。

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[–]FewMaybe4 178 points 10 hours ago

Giannis is MVP but not for that reasoning.

字母哥會是MVP，但是這不是原因。

[–]mangotictacs 244 points 9 hours ago*

This is literally the dumbest take I』ve ever heard. He’s scoring 37 points a game on 62% efficiency. League average is like 55%. Houston, despite losing CP3, EG, Clint and other guys for long periods, are the number 3 offense in the league. Powered by one dude who may end up with the most ppg since Wilt, and with 9 assists a game at the same time.

That is what James Harden is doing. How the fuck you gonna criticise him for pounding it 20 times if it works to this kind of success? Why would you point to his 5/20 nights and ignore the bigger picture efficiency numbers?

這個言論是我現在聽到的最愚蠢的言論，哈登以62%的真實命中率場均砍下37分，聯盟平均水平不過55%，火箭在失去保羅、戈登、卡佩拉以及其他一些人很長時間，但是球隊進攻效率依然是聯盟前三，這種能量估計只有當年張大帥才能做到吧，更不要說場均還能有9個助攻呢。

這就是哈登做的事情，你們怎麼能批評他？你們怎麼能指著他偶爾20中5的低迷狀態而忽略他的強大？

[–][NYK] Baron Davisthemariokarters 115 points 10 hours ago

But they literally gave Westbrook MVP lol

尼克斯球迷：但是他們最後給了威少MVP哈哈哈。

[–]Thunderyusbishyus 59 points 10 hours ago

You're forgetting something about that. Plus, he was pretty good that year.

雷霆球迷：看來你們確實已經忘記了一些事情，威少今年打得真的很好。

[–]RaptorsKawhiGotUsNow 61 points 10 hours ago

He does have nights like that tho

He went 5-20 against Knicks

Still scored 61 points

猛龍球迷：有的時候哈登確實19中5了，比如打尼克斯就20中5了，但是他還是得了61分啊。

[–][HOU] Clint CapelaDickInLebronsAss 75 points 10 hours ago

he had a game where he shot 1-17 from three and still ended up with 38 points

火箭球迷：曾經的他有一場比賽三分17中1，但是仍然得到了38分。

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[–][NYK] Walt FrazierMyLadySansa 113 points 9 hours ago

Well, I know I'll get downvoted for even attempting to answer your questions but a lot of people simply don't worship TS the way r/nba and some in the media do. It's not commonly brought up on sports shows, and many old school players are just anti-advanced stats in general. I'll be downvoted for this, I'm sure, but I kind of think Harden has broken TS b/c of his free-throw shooting and high volume three point shooting.

I personally believe elite efficiency is really simple: great overall FG%, terrific free throw shooting, and, if a player takes threes at a high volume, 40% or better. Harden doesn't shoot great overall, is a terrific free throw shooter, and is a good three point shooter on the volume he takes. I think he has good efficiency, but not ELITE efficiency. I think Steph has elite efficiency. He checks every one of my boxes. Harden does not and I don't think he does for others who aren't all about TS.

I know I'll be downvoted now but it's just my opinion and I think it's just as valid as anyone else's.

尼克斯球迷：嗯，我知道我會因為試圖回答你某些問題而被否決，但很多人根本不喜歡Reddit以及一些媒體的做法，很多老派球員都很反對那些高階數據，我也不支持這個，但是我覺得哈登確實打破了罰球命中率和高三分出手的平衡。

個人而言我覺得精英級別的效率定義非常簡單：好的投籃命中率，很多發球以及如果一個球員投很多三分，那麼40%的命中率就再好不過了，哈登總體命中率不高，他的罰球非常多並且考慮到他出手的數量，他的命中率也還說得過去，所以我覺得他有著不錯的效率，但是並不是精英級別的效率，我覺得庫裡有著精英級別的效率，他滿足我給的所有條件，哈登沒有所以我不覺得真實命中率決定一切。

我知道我現在是反對你的觀點的，但這只是我的觀點，我覺得這個觀點和其他人一樣是有效的。

來源：Reddit

編譯：海上生明月