Victors are determined decisively on the court, but one great joy of fandom outside the lines has no clear winner. We love to weigh the merits of our favorite players against each other, and yet a taproom full of basketball fans can never unanimously agree on the GOAT. In this series, we attempt to settle scores of NBA undercard debates — or at least give you fodder for your next 「Who is better?」 argument.
雖說成王敗寇是場上真刀真槍打出來的,但場外場外吃瓜群眾也少不了對究竟孰優孰劣津津樂道。我們樂於將我們喜愛的球員們互相比較,一屋子球迷可能永遠也不能一致同意誰才是GOAT(歷史最佳)。這一系列文章我們將嘗試評說一些NBA的球星對比——如果算不上定論也算是給各位球迷的討論添柴加火了。
THE MATCHUP
Grant Hill vs. Tracy McGrady
格蘭特-希爾vs特雷西-麥克格雷迪
There were few players less likely to play until age 40 than Grant Hill, whose ankle injuries cost him most of three straight prime seasons before claiming his entire 2003-04 campaign. His apex can really be narrowed down to his first six seasons with the Detroit Pistons, even if he was twice named an All-Star with the Orlando Magic — his first season there, which consisted of just four games, and his fifth year there, a comeback campaign after a life-threatening MRSA infection in 2003.
聯盟鮮有希爾這種直到40歲仍在賽場徵戰的球員,而且別忘了希爾曾由於腳踝傷勢連續缺席了三個黃金賽季的大部分時間,直到2003-04賽季報銷。這麼看他的巔峰期可以被縮短到他生涯最初在底特律活塞隊度過的六個賽季。即使他之後在奧蘭多魔術隊也兩次入選全明星,但第一次(2000年)他只為魔術出戰了4場比賽,五年後的第二次他仍在從致命的超級細菌(MRSA)感染中恢復。
From 1994-2000, Hill averaged 21.6 points (47.6 FG%, 25.6 3P% on 0.5 attempts per game and 74.6 FT%), 7.9 rebounds, 6.3 assists and 2.2 combined blocks and steals in 39.1 minutes per game. He made the All-Star team each season, save for 1999, when the game was not played in a shortened lockout season. The Pistons made the playoffs in four of those six seasons, losing in the first round each time.
從1994-2000年,希爾場均出場39.1分鐘,得到21.6分(47.6% 命中率,場均0.5次出手下25.6%三分命中率,和74.6%罰球命中率),7.9個籃板,6.3次助攻和2.2次蓋帽和搶斷。除了1999年因為停擺他沒有打比賽之外,他每個賽季都入選了全明星。活塞在有他的六個賽季中四入季後賽,但都沒能邁過首輪。
Hill’s only All-Star teammates during that time were an aging Joe Dumars and a young Jerry Stackhouse. Several other future and former All-Stars came through Detroit during his tenure, but none of them were performing at their peak abilities.
希爾當時唯一的全明星隊友是已年老的喬-杜馬斯和尚年輕的傑裡-斯塔克豪斯。希爾在活塞時期還有幾位未來和前全明星球員加盟了活塞,但是他們在活塞期間都不在巔峰狀態。
The summer of 2000 was supposed to be a boon for the Magic, who signed both Hill and McGrady in an attempted return to glory after the loss of Shaquille O』Neal. But Hill’s ankle issues limited him to four games in his first season and 281 games over his first four seasons in Orlando. During that time, McGrady rose to stardom, winning two scoring titles. We never truly saw them as a duo in their primes, which cost us some great basketball and a chance to determine who was the alpha dog.
2000年的夏天曾被認為是魔術隊的轉折點,球隊在失去沙奎爾-奧尼爾後籤下了希爾和麥克格雷迪試圖恢復榮耀。但是希爾的腳踝問題讓他在加盟的首個賽季只能出戰了四場比賽,而在魔術的前四個賽季加起來也只打了281場比賽。在那段時間裡,麥迪成長為明星並贏得了兩個得分王。二人同隊期間從未能同時發揮出巔峰水平,讓人扼腕惋惜的同時也讓比較同時期的二人變得不現實。
A 25-year-old McGrady left for the Houston Rockets the same season a 32-year-old Hill made his All-Star comeback in Orlando, and T-Mac enjoyed four more prime seasons before knee injuries sent his career into a steep decline before age 30.
25歲的麥克格雷迪加盟休斯敦火箭隊那年,32歲的希爾在奧蘭多再度入選全明星。而麥克格雷迪在火箭度過了四個巔峰賽季之後受膝傷困擾,在不到30歲時就迅速隕落。
During an eight-year stretch from 2000-08, McGrady averaged 26.3 points (43.6 FG%, 34.0 3P% on 4.9 attempts per game and 75.3 FT%), 6.4 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 2.2 combined steals and blocks per game. An All-Star in seven of those eight seasons, McGrady’s teams made six first-round exits in six playoff showings.
2000-2008這八年中,麥克格雷迪場均得到26.3分(43.6%命中率,場均4.9次出手下34.0%三分命中率和75.3%罰球命中率),6.4個籃板,5.5次助攻和2.2次搶斷和蓋帽。麥克格雷迪這八個賽季七入全明星,球隊六進季後賽,均未能邁過首輪。
McGrady’s only All-Star teammates in his prime — Hall of Famers Hill in Orlando and Yao Ming in Houston — were injured for four of those six playoff appearances.
麥克格雷迪唯二的全明星隊友:奧蘭多時期的希爾和休斯敦時期的姚明(兩人都已進入名人堂)——在他六次季後賽之旅中有四次受傷。
Who you think was better in his prime probably comes down to whether you prefer high scoring or the ability to do all things for all people, but either way most teams would probably take T-Mac’s eight-year stretch from 2000-08, if only because he was able to squeeze two extra prime seasons from his body. Advanced statistics from player efficiency rating to win score per 48 minutes also support McGrady.
評價球員巔峰期的表現,要麼是他的得分能力有多爆炸,要麼是他能讓球隊變得多好,但是無論哪種方式,大多數人可能都會更認可2000-08賽季的麥克格雷迪,再不濟他也比希爾多了兩個巔峰賽季。高端數據如球員效率評分和場均淨勝分上麥迪也是更好的那個。
Advantage: McGrady
麥克格雷迪更勝一籌
Hill finished top-10 in MVP voting five times in his six seasons with the Pistons, peaking with a third-place finish at age 24 in 1996-97. He averaged 21.4 points (on 50/30/71 splits for a 55.6 true shooting percentage), nine rebounds, 7.3 assists and 2.4 combined blocks and steals in 39.3 minutes per game, leading the Pistons to a 54-28 record and the fifth seed in a pretty solid Eastern Conference that season.
希爾在活塞的六個賽季中五次入選MVP排名前十,在1996-97賽季24歲的希爾排名第三。他平均出場39.3分鐘,得到21.4分(50%/30%/71%,真實命中率為55.6%),9個籃板,7.3次助攻和2.4個蓋帽和搶斷,幫助活塞隊取得了54-28的戰績,在當年整體表現出色的東部排名第五。
Hill posted 13 triple-doubles during his peak campaign. At the time, only Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Fat Lever and Michael Jordan had ever recorded more in a single season. Unfortunately, Hill’s Pistons lost a five-game set to the fourth-seeded Atlanta Hawks in the 1997 playoffs, ro****g us of a chance to see the ascendant Hill against Jordan’s Chicago Bulls in the second round.
希爾在他的巔峰賽季取得了13次三雙。當年這可是只有奧斯卡-羅伯特森,威爾特-張伯倫,魔術師詹森,拉斐特-利弗和麥可-喬丹才能單個賽季中取得的記錄。不巧的是,希爾的活塞在1997年的季後賽中輸給了東部第四的亞特蘭大老鷹隊,錯失了在第二輪對陣喬丹的芝加哥公牛隊的機會。
In the first-round series against the Hawks, Hill averaged 23.6 points (43.7 FG%, 71.8 FT%), 6.8 rebounds, 5.4 assists and 1.8 combined blocks and steals in 40.7 minutes per game opposite All-Stars Dikembe Mutombo, Steve Smith and (former Duke teammate) Christian Laettner. In the deciding Game 5, Hill registered a 21-8-6 on 9-for-24 shooting with three steals in an 84-79 loss on the road in Atlanta.
在對陣老鷹的首輪系列賽中,希爾面對擁有全明星迪肯貝-穆託姆博,史蒂夫-史密斯和(同是杜克隊友的)克裡斯蒂安-萊特納的老鷹,場均出戰43.6分鐘,得到23.6分(43.7%命中率,71.8%罰球命中率),6.8籃板,5.4助攻和1.8蓋帽和搶斷。在決定性的第5場比賽中,希爾24投9中,拿到21-8-6以及3個搶斷的數據,以84-79的比分敗走亞特蘭大。
McGrady finished top-10 in MVP voting on six occasions from 2000-08, peaking with a pair of fourth-place finishes in 2002 and 2003. The second of those seasons was his famed 32.1 points-per-game campaign (on 46/39/79 shooting splits for a 56.4 true shooting percentage) — a single-season scoring average achieved at the time by only 10 players in history. He also posted averaged of 6.5 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 2.5 combined blocks and steals in 39.4 minutes per game in 2002-03.
麥克格雷迪從2000-08年以來六次在MVP投票中名列前十,並在2002和2003年排名第四。這八年中的第二個賽季,他打出了著名的場均32.1分(46%/39%/79%,56.4%的真實投籃命中率),一個當時只有10個球員打出過的單賽季場均得分。在2002-03賽季,他場均出戰39.4分鐘,能得到6.5個籃板,5.5個助攻,2.5個蓋帽和搶斷。
The Magic finished 42-40 in 2002-03, eighth in the East. Hill played 29 games for Orlando that season before injury ended his year in January, leaving midseason acquisition Drew Gooden as T-Mac’s top teammate. Still, the Magic pushed the top-seeded Pistons — a year prior to their 2004 title campaign — to seven games in the first round, with McGrady averaging 31.7 points (on 45/34/77 splits), 6.7 boards, 4.7 assists and 2.9 combined blocks and steals in 44.1 minutes per game.
魔術隊在2002-03賽季的戰績是42-40,排名東部第八。希爾在那個賽季打了29場比賽之後在一月因傷病賽季報銷,這讓賽季中加盟的德魯-古登成了麥克格雷迪最強的隊友。即便如此,魔術將頭號種子活塞(04年奪冠)逼到了搶七,麥迪場均出戰44.1分鐘,得到31.7分(45%/34%/77%),6.7板,4.7助攻和2.9蓋帽和搶斷。
In the decisive Game 7, McGrady posted a 21-5-6 on 7-for-24 shooting in a 108-93 loss opposite All-Stars Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton and Ben Wallace.
在決定性的搶七中,麥克格雷迪面對擁有全明星昌西-比盧普斯,理察-漢密爾頓和本-華萊士的活塞,24投7中,拿到21-5-6的數據,以108比93的比分敗走底特律。
Once again, who was better at his apex is a matter of preference, and advanced stats favor McGrady. For me, it comes down to this: Only Jordan had averaged 32 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists in a single season when T-Mac did it, while four players (Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird and John Havlicek) had averaged a 21-9-7 when Hill did it. Both were historic, one was slightly more so.
像之前說的那樣,誰的巔峰更強取決於他們的表現,高階數據上麥克格雷迪更勝一籌。對我來說,這可以歸結為:只有喬丹在麥克格雷迪之前做到過單賽季中場均得到32分,6.5個籃板和5.5次助攻,而四名球員(奧斯卡-羅伯特森,威爾特-張伯倫,拉裡-伯德和約翰-哈維利切克)在希爾之前做到過場均21-9-7。他們倆的表現都是歷史性的,只是一個更亮眼。
Advantage: McGrady
麥克格雷迪更勝一籌
Mitigating factors or not, Hill and McGrady never proved they could single-handedly carry a team to contention, and few players in history could. That neither player ever advanced past the second round in their primes will forever be a knock against their legacies, but it did not stop either from entering the Hall of Fame.
不論怎麼說,希爾和麥克格雷迪都從未證明過他們可以單獨帶隊,但能做到的人本就沒有幾個。兩人在巔峰期始終未能突破首輪對他們的歷史地位是個拖累,但也沒有阻止他倆入選名人堂。
Hill averaged 19.6 points (on 46/40/79 splits), 6.9 rebounds, 5.6 assists and 1.7 combined steals and blocks in 36.6 minutes over 15 playoff games in his prime. He played in two advance-or-go-home playoff games — first-round Games 5 losses in 1997 and 1999. In those games, both on the road, Hill averaged 21 points (19-51 FG, 0-1 3P, 4-8 FT), 8.5 assists (against 2.5 turnovers), 7.5 rebounds and 2.5 steals.
希爾巔峰期打了15場季後賽,場均36.6分鐘,得到19.6分(46%/40%/79%),6.9籃板,5.6助攻和1.7搶斷和蓋帽。他打了兩次「不贏就回家」的背水之戰——1997年和1999年的首輪第五場敗北。在那兩場比賽中,希爾場均得到21分(51投19中,三分1投0中,罰球8罰4中),8.5助攻(2.5失誤),7.5籃板和2.5搶斷。
McGrady averaged 29.5 points (on 43/30/75 splits), 6.9 rebounds, 6.5 assists and 2.5 combined blocks and steals in 42.6 minutes over 35 prime playoff games. He played in three first-round Games 7 in his playoff career — all losses, including one at home as a No. 4 seed. In those games, he averaged 25.7 points (29-75 FG, 3-17 3P, 16-21 FT), 8.7 assists (against 3.3 turnovers), 5.7 rebounds and 2.3 blocks.
麥克格雷迪在巔峰期打了35場季後賽,場均42.6分鐘,得到29.5分(43%/30%75%),6.9籃板,6.5助攻和2.5蓋帽和搶斷。他打了三次首輪搶七,全部失利,包括一次排名第四有主場優勢。在那些比賽中,他場均得到25.7分(75投29中,三分17投3中,罰球21罰16中),8.7助攻(3.3失誤),5.7籃板和2.3蓋帽。
Both Hill and McGrady played past the first round in the twilight of their careers. Hill started at age 37 for a Phoenix Suns team that reached the conference finals, averaging 9.6 points, 5.7 rebounds and 2.3 assists in 28.3 minutes per game. In a six-game conference finals loss to the eventual champion Los Angeles Lakers, he scored 23 points (10-17 FG) in a Game 2 loss, 10 points (3-7 FG) in a devastating 103-101 series-tilting Game 5 loss and six points (2-7 FG) in the Game 6 loss.
希爾和麥迪在職業生涯末期都跨過了首輪的檻。希爾從37歲開始效力於菲尼克斯太陽隊,並隨隊闖入了分區決賽,場均28.3分鐘,得到9.6分,5.7個籃板和2.3次助攻。在和當年的冠軍洛杉磯湖人隊的六場西決中,他在第二場失利中得到23分(17投10中),103-101不敵湖人的第五場中得到10分(7投3中),第六場的失利中拿到6分(7投2中)
McGrady’s lone playoff games beyond the first round came in 2013 with the San Antonio Spurs, who signed him after a stint in China in time to put him on the playoff roster. He played a total of 31 minutes of garbage time over six games for a Spurs team that reached Game 7 of the Finals, missing all seven of his shots and failing to register a point, and still came within a Ray Allen miracle of getting a ring. His biggest contribution was playing the role of LeBron James in playoff practices.
麥克格雷迪唯一跨過首輪的季後賽比賽是短暫的中國之旅後,在2013年與聖安東尼奧馬刺隊籤約,並進入了球隊的季後賽名單。他為馬刺隊打了6場比賽,總共了31分鐘的垃圾時間,並隨隊闖入了總決賽的第7場,雖然7投全失,未能取得得分。他為了總冠軍戒指的最後一搏也被雷-阿倫的那記神仙球擊得粉碎。他最大的貢獻就是在季後賽的隊內訓練中中扮演勒布朗-詹姆斯。
Neither player covered himself in playoff glory, and both never got a long enough run in any given postseason to submit a signature clutch playoff performance. T-Mac gets a slight edge here, because he had bigger games in big playoff moments and once miraculously scored 13 points in 33 seconds to beat the 2004-05 Spurs in the regular season, even if Hill did throw a perfect pass on Laettner’s 1992 miracle.
兩位球員都沒能季後賽中閃光,甚至都沒能打夠足夠多的季後賽場次來展現自己。麥克格雷迪略有優勢,因為他在季後賽中有過更高光的時刻,並且在2004-05賽季的常規賽中轟出33秒13分擊敗了馬刺隊,而希爾最高光的時刻也就是1992年助攻萊特納完成了杜克對肯塔基的絕殺成功問鼎NCAA。
Advantage: McGrady
麥克格雷迪更勝一籌
• Hill: Seven-time All-Star; five-time All-NBA selection (1x First Team, 4x Second Team); 1995 Co-Rookie of the Year; 1996 Olympic gold medalist
•希爾:七次入選全明星;五次入選NBA最佳陣容(一陣1次,二陣4次); 1995年最佳新秀;1996年奧運會金牌得主
• McGrady: Seven-time All-Star; seven-time All-NBA selection (2x First Team, 3x Second Team); 2001 Most Improved Player; two-time scoring champion
麥迪:七次入選全明星;七次入選NBA最佳陣容(一陣2次,二陣3次); 2001年進步最快的球員;兩次得分王
Would you rather have a Rookie of the Year trophy or a Most Improved Player award? I think the former, since the latter implies you started from a lower standard.
你是更想獲得「最佳新秀」還是「進步最快球員」?我會更想要前者,因為後者意味著自己的起點並不高。
Hill’s gold medal does not apply here, since we are talking about NBA careers only, which makes you wonder why I even included it. At any rate, even given Hill’s ROY, I still think you have to lean McGrady here — the two extra All-NBA nods, including one more First Team bid, and two scoring titles fill out the résumé a little better.
雖然我列出來了,但希爾的金牌在這裡並不適用,因為我們只討論NBA。即使希爾拿到了最佳新秀,我仍然更傾向於拿了進步最快球員的麥克格雷迪——多入選了兩次全明星,多一個一陣的頭銜,以及兩個得分王都讓他的簡歷更矚目。
Advantage: McGrady
麥克格雷迪更勝一籌
Hill and McGrady leave behind two of the NBA’s greatest 「What if?」 legacies of this century. They were among the defining players of a relatively imperfect basketball era, helping bridge the gap between the Jordan and LeBron eras. Either might have been truly an all-time great had ankle and knee injuries eaten into their prime years.
希爾和麥克格雷迪留下了本世紀NBA兩次最偉大的「如果...會怎樣」的遺產。他們屬於相對不完善的籃球時代中最重要的球員,是喬丹時代和勒布朗時代之間填補空白的重要橋梁。他們倆都有成就空前偉大的可能,如果不是巔峰期遭遇了那該死的傷病。
Fair or not, T-Mac is considered more of a playoff failure in the abstract NBA consciousness. The chronic nature of Hill’s injuries during what should have been his absolute apex overshadows his pre-injury postseason shortcomings, and we often ignore the fact that McGrady’s playoff legacy was also impacted as a result.
公平與否,麥克格雷迪在抽象的NBA印象中或多或少被視為季後賽失敗者。希爾在巔峰期遭遇的慢性傷病某種程度上遮掩了他傷病就有所顯露的季後賽不足,而我們常常忽略了麥迪的季後賽表現也受到傷病影響的事實。
At their peaks, Hill was probably more attractive to major, although that too is a more complicated conversation. They both had sitcom cameos during their careers, and they have both served as NBA analysts in retirement. McGrady is a little more entertaining in that regard, and I am not sure what it says about Hill’s level of fame that he appeared in Nickelback’s 「Rockstar」 video along with Wayne Gretzky, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Gene Simmons, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Eliza Dushku and others.
他倆巔峰時期,希爾可能對公眾的吸引力更大,雖然誰的吸引力更大這事兒也是說不清道不明的。他們倆在職業生涯中都客串過情景喜劇,退役後都參與了NBA解說。麥克格雷迪在這方面更具娛樂性,但希爾能在Nickelback的名曲「Rockstar」中與Wayne Gretzky, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Gene Simmons, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Eliza Dushku 這些娛樂圈名人一同出鏡也說明了他的名頭不小。
A Duke University legend, Hill is considered one of the most successful college basketball players in history, and his response to Jalen Rose of the Fab Five calling him an 「Uncle Tom」 is worth mentioning in this context. This is about their NBA careers, but Hill’s reputation as one of the classiest players ever holds water.
希爾是杜克大學的傳奇人物,被認為是歷史上最成功的大學籃球運動員之一,值得一提的是他對The Fab Five這部影片的回應,幾乎可以算是「湯姆叔叔」那樣的啟蒙了(註:The Fab Five是密西根大學籃球隊的紀錄片,希爾公開批評了此影片中存在的種族問題,在美國社會有較大反響)。雖然這篇討論關於他們的NBA生涯的,但是希爾的高尚品格一直聲名在外。
McGrady, a champion for humanitarian efforts in ****, should be lauded, too.
麥克格雷迪積極投身人道主義工作,也應該受到稱讚。
In the end, their longstanding impact on the game boils down to this: McGrady is an investor in the Biloxi Shuckers, a Double-A baseball affiliate, while Hill now serves as part-owner of the Atlanta Hawks. He is among only a few former players in NBA ownership groups, and his post-career path there is a shining example.
到了,他們的長期影響會總結下來就是:麥克格雷迪現在是Double-A棒球聯盟附屬球隊Biloxi Shuckers的投資者之一,而希爾現在是亞特蘭大老鷹隊的小老闆,他是NBA僅有的幾個從球員轉變成老闆的人,這個後職業生涯可以說人生榜樣了。
Advantage: Hill
希爾更勝一籌
THE DAGGER: Tracy McGrady is better.
綜上:特雷西-麥克格雷迪的NBA生涯更好。
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Enjoy the Process
感恩,我們在一起,做美好的事物